Ten years ago, this was a red line. I used to be a blogger by that time. I used to read blogs of different people coming from all backgrounds, though mainly within the "Arab" scope. And several times I came across blogs owned by LGBTI people, blogging under fake names, blogging cautiously, trying their best to conceal their identities. The thing is, I never dared tell any one that I came across a blog owned by, say, a gay man.
My first real encounter with an LGBTI in real life dates a couple of years before that, before I became a blogger. I was still a student, and I was in the extremely crowded bookshop trying to "hunt" a textbook. And in my way out, and as I was pushing and struggling to find my way out, I suddenly found myself facing this: the bare chest of an EXTREMELY white.... human body. I almost crashed into him -he turned out to be a guy- and froze in my place in the last minute and managed to avoid the crash, but when I looked into him, I was speechless! He was wearing tight black jeans, a silk shirt that had several front buttons open, revealing an extremely white hairless chest of a man. His hair was long and blown dry, his face was shaved, he was very white, and his eye brows were skillfully formed in perfect lines. My stomach twitches as I remember the scene!
And then I worked for my current organization. Here we work in refugee resettlement. And since the first day I learned that the definition of a refugee is: someone who "owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for
reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular
social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his
nationality, and is unable to, or owing to such fear, is unwilling to
avail himself of the protection of that country." Never was the word "gay" or "homosexual" or "lesbian" mentioned in the definition! So whenever anyone came to me to tell me that "the international organizations you work for are working on destroying the virtue of our communities and encourage homosexuality, and this is through protecting people who are homosexual and send them to the West" I was proud to answer: "the refugee definition made up by these "international organizations" does not list these people as refugees".
But then, suddenly, our management asked us to start noticing if any one of the refugees mentioned any concerns related to them being persecuted for being anything related to the LGBTI groups, and that was when I was introduced to this term. At that time, in 2010, we were only asked to "monitor" and "report" the possibility of receiving such cases.
Fast forward to January 2016: my boss is a gay, and I am attending a training on the understanding of LGBTI people and how to treat them in cases of forced resettlement and what language to use when talking to them!
First of all, my boss, who is a gay, is a very nice person. Never was any of the people working withing my team exposed to any awkward situations with him because of that. If the gossip lovers did not spread this information one would never know he is. He is very professional and fair, and he is nice and friendly with every one. He does not exceed his limits though.
And the debate goes on and on in Jordan regarding this issue. People whine all the time on every possible media platform that the west is trying to destroy our community by pushing us to integrate LGBTI people and accept them in Jordan. They like to threaten the people that Allah's wrath is in the way because of their lack of action towards this evil that is attempting to invade us. They try to shut up every one who tries to say anything other than: "death to gay people, death to lesbians, death to gender-changers, and death to their supporters"!
And amongst all of this, I find myself hesitant to accept this rationale: that LGBTI people should just be killed.
Why you ask? Let me tell you...
First of all, the Holy Quraan never mentioned a specific punishment for homosexual behavior.
Read the holy Quraan cover to cover, no where will you find a mentioning to the homosexual behavior.
Search among the authentic hadeeth, you will never find a single authentic hadeeth that mentions the punishment of homosexual behavior.
Yet, Allah subhanahu wa taala mentions in the Holy Quraan the story of the people of the prophet Lut, who are the old residents of Sodom and Gomorrah. According to the holy scriptures, these are the people who invented the act of anal sex between men. Allah subhaanahu wa taala has sent an angel, who has overthrown the city with all of its residents, except for the prophet Lut -peace be upon him- and few believers.
Well, this was the divine punishment for those who have INVENTED the sin. A DIVINE punishment. That is not a verdict. We cannot overthrow any one, can we?
The "verdict" to kill the committers of homosexual acts came through either a hadeeth that is not authentic enough to shed the blood of a human, let alone a Muslim, or through a historical narration.
Now consider the following:
Adultery, or "Zina", is a great sin in Islam. The punishment is either whipping, or in case the sinner was married it is stoning to death. However, the verification of the act in the case of a married sinner should go through VERY difficult procedures, and if the reporter's claim failed to meet a VERY high standard to condemn the sinner, the reporter should be whipped. The verdicts of adultery in Islam have been largely misinterpreted and misused, and the fair discussion of them needs books, not blog posts. But in any case, the harsh verdict can be understood if we take into consideration the destructive effect that results of producing bastard babies. Adultery is a reproductive process, and if a baby was brought to life because of it, regardless of how tenderly the society dealt with this baby, the chances are very small that he/she will grow up a well balanced individual. This is, of course, if we considered the chance of this individual being up-brought in a positive environment. Which is usually not the case.
However, homosexual behavior is not a reproductive one. So the damage done is only affecting the sinners. It is not a harm done to society in the form of producing imbalanced people that usually end up homeless or struggling with psychological burdens, but in the sense of: exposing the human race to extinction.
If Allah wanted us to kill gay people he would make it clear that he wants us to do. He wouldn't leave it to our interpretations if it was really a critically dangerous sin. What would be the punishment? It could be decided depending on how common has this behavior become. If it was not very common the punishment could be verbal. It can gradually increase based on how much this sin spreads. Actually, reading about the opinions of scholars about this makes one believe that a punishment that depends on how much the sin spreads makes alot of sense.
So it is a sin. I, for example, say so because in Islam it is a sin. But if I am not a Muslim, why would I think it is? Why would the whole world do before the rights' groups started to push for homosexual behavior to be considered as normal?
You say it is against nature, some people will look for a study proving that dogs and camels are know to have homosexual practice, so, no, the heterosexual behavior is not the only natural behavior. You say that homosexual behavior can lead to specific health problems, they will get case studies to you for people with these same health problems who have never practiced homosexuality and tell you there is no proof that homosexuality is the reason.
Then some one tell me: if the right to be homosexual would be considered a human right, then it would be guaranteed to all humans by the virtue of being human. If all humanity practiced homosexual behavior, human race will go extinct. And as long as this is a "human right", then you cannot grant it to some and not grant it to others! The UNESCO looks at any act exposing any culture to extinction as a crime. What about an act that -in principle- can lead to the extinction of the whole human race?
Weeks ago we had to attend an LGBTI awareness training. It was a general one, starting by addressing gender issues, and then moving to discuss gays, lesbians and bisexuals. This was the other extreme. The general orientation of the training was uncomfortable to me and many of my colleagues. They tried to force the existence in a liquid gender status to be considered normal. A thing I can never digest! Our identity is a huge part of who we are. The clearer we are about our identity the more balanced we are, and the more we are able to give. The clashes within the layers of one's identity can lead to serious imbalances, that might result in one trying to take radical measures in order to balance the scales: think joining ISIS! I thing gender is very intimate to one, and is more essential in one's identification of self, to the extent that if it went gray, it can lead to serious issues!
Also, sarcastic enough, we were taught that "homosexual" is not a term that LGBTI people like to use, because it sounds like a clinical term, which may indicate that these are sick people, or, as used to be described previously in the publications of the American Psychiatric Association: A disorder. Starting 2013, the pressure applied to the association was successful in removing that disorder form the handbook! So it is not any more considered a disorder, and "forcing" some one to receive treatment can be a human rights violation! Seriously? If -God forbids- I see that my son has, at puberty, started to show signs of female body, which will -definitely- cause him alot of discomfort (think of the discomfort resulting from the turning into the adult body of the same gender) shall I deprive him from the right to get treated? And leave him suffering and struggling with his identity until he is "old enough to decide what he wants to be"? Shall the psychological scars resulting from this ever be cured? While the issue can be easily and quickly be resolved and leave the boy to concentrate on what really matters?
Not only that. You cannot use any terminology or language that infers (choice), because LGBTI people want us to believe that their status is not a matter of "choice". They do not chose to be LGBTI, so you cannot simply convince them that this is not a good choice. It is their nature that they were born with (when did Bruce Jenner turn to Kaitlyn? How many children he had before he discovered that he is a woman?).
Duh!... For God's sake?
What I really dream of, is to get the cultural and ideological and propagandal (is that even a word?) bias out of this issue, so that people can address it ONLY from the medical/psychological point of view. I mean if people with gender related struggles could just look into themselves and ask for whatever help they need in order to overcome any struggles and got it solved once and for all. Without being judged by the community. Or pushed by the propaganda leaders to accept themselves the way they are although "the way they are" is just causing them to live in continuous agony.
If, after every one was able to address his/her own gender concerns in a neutral environment, and still some people remain with gay-lisbean orientation, we can discuss the argument that these are just different "natures", not disorders, nor choices.
Until then, we will still be forced to touch our way in the darkness of extremes!
Read the holy Quraan cover to cover, no where will you find a mentioning to the homosexual behavior.
Search among the authentic hadeeth, you will never find a single authentic hadeeth that mentions the punishment of homosexual behavior.
Yet, Allah subhanahu wa taala mentions in the Holy Quraan the story of the people of the prophet Lut, who are the old residents of Sodom and Gomorrah. According to the holy scriptures, these are the people who invented the act of anal sex between men. Allah subhaanahu wa taala has sent an angel, who has overthrown the city with all of its residents, except for the prophet Lut -peace be upon him- and few believers.
Well, this was the divine punishment for those who have INVENTED the sin. A DIVINE punishment. That is not a verdict. We cannot overthrow any one, can we?
The "verdict" to kill the committers of homosexual acts came through either a hadeeth that is not authentic enough to shed the blood of a human, let alone a Muslim, or through a historical narration.
Now consider the following:
Adultery, or "Zina", is a great sin in Islam. The punishment is either whipping, or in case the sinner was married it is stoning to death. However, the verification of the act in the case of a married sinner should go through VERY difficult procedures, and if the reporter's claim failed to meet a VERY high standard to condemn the sinner, the reporter should be whipped. The verdicts of adultery in Islam have been largely misinterpreted and misused, and the fair discussion of them needs books, not blog posts. But in any case, the harsh verdict can be understood if we take into consideration the destructive effect that results of producing bastard babies. Adultery is a reproductive process, and if a baby was brought to life because of it, regardless of how tenderly the society dealt with this baby, the chances are very small that he/she will grow up a well balanced individual. This is, of course, if we considered the chance of this individual being up-brought in a positive environment. Which is usually not the case.
However, homosexual behavior is not a reproductive one. So the damage done is only affecting the sinners. It is not a harm done to society in the form of producing imbalanced people that usually end up homeless or struggling with psychological burdens, but in the sense of: exposing the human race to extinction.
If Allah wanted us to kill gay people he would make it clear that he wants us to do. He wouldn't leave it to our interpretations if it was really a critically dangerous sin. What would be the punishment? It could be decided depending on how common has this behavior become. If it was not very common the punishment could be verbal. It can gradually increase based on how much this sin spreads. Actually, reading about the opinions of scholars about this makes one believe that a punishment that depends on how much the sin spreads makes alot of sense.
So it is a sin. I, for example, say so because in Islam it is a sin. But if I am not a Muslim, why would I think it is? Why would the whole world do before the rights' groups started to push for homosexual behavior to be considered as normal?
You say it is against nature, some people will look for a study proving that dogs and camels are know to have homosexual practice, so, no, the heterosexual behavior is not the only natural behavior. You say that homosexual behavior can lead to specific health problems, they will get case studies to you for people with these same health problems who have never practiced homosexuality and tell you there is no proof that homosexuality is the reason.
Then some one tell me: if the right to be homosexual would be considered a human right, then it would be guaranteed to all humans by the virtue of being human. If all humanity practiced homosexual behavior, human race will go extinct. And as long as this is a "human right", then you cannot grant it to some and not grant it to others! The UNESCO looks at any act exposing any culture to extinction as a crime. What about an act that -in principle- can lead to the extinction of the whole human race?
Weeks ago we had to attend an LGBTI awareness training. It was a general one, starting by addressing gender issues, and then moving to discuss gays, lesbians and bisexuals. This was the other extreme. The general orientation of the training was uncomfortable to me and many of my colleagues. They tried to force the existence in a liquid gender status to be considered normal. A thing I can never digest! Our identity is a huge part of who we are. The clearer we are about our identity the more balanced we are, and the more we are able to give. The clashes within the layers of one's identity can lead to serious imbalances, that might result in one trying to take radical measures in order to balance the scales: think joining ISIS! I thing gender is very intimate to one, and is more essential in one's identification of self, to the extent that if it went gray, it can lead to serious issues!
Also, sarcastic enough, we were taught that "homosexual" is not a term that LGBTI people like to use, because it sounds like a clinical term, which may indicate that these are sick people, or, as used to be described previously in the publications of the American Psychiatric Association: A disorder. Starting 2013, the pressure applied to the association was successful in removing that disorder form the handbook! So it is not any more considered a disorder, and "forcing" some one to receive treatment can be a human rights violation! Seriously? If -God forbids- I see that my son has, at puberty, started to show signs of female body, which will -definitely- cause him alot of discomfort (think of the discomfort resulting from the turning into the adult body of the same gender) shall I deprive him from the right to get treated? And leave him suffering and struggling with his identity until he is "old enough to decide what he wants to be"? Shall the psychological scars resulting from this ever be cured? While the issue can be easily and quickly be resolved and leave the boy to concentrate on what really matters?
Not only that. You cannot use any terminology or language that infers (choice), because LGBTI people want us to believe that their status is not a matter of "choice". They do not chose to be LGBTI, so you cannot simply convince them that this is not a good choice. It is their nature that they were born with (when did Bruce Jenner turn to Kaitlyn? How many children he had before he discovered that he is a woman?).
Duh!... For God's sake?
What I really dream of, is to get the cultural and ideological and propagandal (is that even a word?) bias out of this issue, so that people can address it ONLY from the medical/psychological point of view. I mean if people with gender related struggles could just look into themselves and ask for whatever help they need in order to overcome any struggles and got it solved once and for all. Without being judged by the community. Or pushed by the propaganda leaders to accept themselves the way they are although "the way they are" is just causing them to live in continuous agony.
If, after every one was able to address his/her own gender concerns in a neutral environment, and still some people remain with gay-lisbean orientation, we can discuss the argument that these are just different "natures", not disorders, nor choices.
Until then, we will still be forced to touch our way in the darkness of extremes!

SubhanAllah such a good post. It's a difficult one to grasp. And the whole transgender community is a total new world that we have to understand.
ReplyDeleteRecently I was watching a chat show in the uk called loose women and one panellists said her children were playing with friends and she heard
"Now who's going to be the transgender one"
Showing how it's just become a norm in society!!!
But yes it's a HUGE deal
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DeleteOh, God!
DeleteJust like when we used to say "now who's going to be the teacher?"
It is a whole new world. And is a big subject. I guess that we all will have to put our prejudices aside and think of it in a neutral way!
May Allah help us and protect our children from being dragged to either extreme!
Ameen!
ReplyDeleteSubhanAllah yep it really is!!!
One of my children is gender fluid ( transgender). This has been considered normal in our tribe for thousands of years, far as I know. So the child is happy and accepted. Defended against the invader dominant culture by the tribe, as a matter of fact, just as Ze has been defended against cultural oppression and racism by the tribe. Fortunately, the current dominant culture on this continent is coming to see things our way, so there is less problem now. I'll be happy to answer any questions I can.
ReplyDeleteThis is interesting to know!
DeleteTransgender and Intersex persons are -to me- the most interesting group, because no one can convince me of anything other than gays and lesbians being the bi-product of the former. So gays and lesbians are the least of interest to me.
What I am really welling to understand more is persons with a fluid gender identity.
Is it possible to see the world from a genderless point of view?
How is life when we do not identify ourselves as "male" or "female"? Is the necessity of this identification really a thing that our culture instills in us? If our culture is not really gender-oriented, would we even care?
Does your child feel any need to make a firm decision whether he should be a he or she? How do other people of the tribe treat him? as a male or female? Or your culture actually HAS a gender-neutral way of dealing with people? Does your child feel that he has two intities inside: one male and one female, or just a unified (I)?
I am really thirsty to know!
And I miss you around! :-)
DeleteThank you! There have always been tribes with more than two genders. Our language here in this area, like others on the planet, is gender-neutral and you have to figure out from context if the person spoken of is a male, female, or other unless they specify. There is no pronoun that will tell you. When the settlers came there were people they couldn't tell if they were male or female and my child is one of them,too. There was nothing different in the raising of this one than the others, all of whom are cis-gendered straight people. Cis-gendered means you accept the gender assigned to you at birth,whether you are gay or straight. This one child accepts neither gender and quite honestly dresses in such a way others can't tell can't tell what Ze "is". ( When wearing " western" clothes...our traditional regalia was rather unisex anyway,but only worn in ceremony now. ). The tribe accepts that Ze is neither male nor female, and that this is normal. There is no issue when using native language, but when using English Ze is often referred to in the neutral plural " they". Ze has no need to identify with " male" or " female" far as I can tell and feels very unified,from what Ze says. Right now, there have been no love interests for Ze,but ,according to Ze, there is attraction across the spectrum and so we don't know who Ze will choose as a mate,if anyone. So, yes, gender roles and gender are largely defined by culture. A person like Ze is no problem at all for us.
ReplyDeleteWe accept nature's diversity. Here, there is a snail that is both genders, a fish that changes genders, seals where the male chooses several mates, another seal in which the female chooses multiple mates and different ones every year, birds that share mates, animals in which there is a segment of the population that mate with the same gender.
As with humans, there are plenty of individuals in those species that breed,so they don't die out. The rest of my children will probably have children, so this one child ,if Ze chooses a mate where birth is not possible or desired,is no threat to our continued existence. Our birth rate is pretty healthy. I suspect I will have plenty of grandchildren.
:-)
This is VERY interesting! Mostly because it comes from some one in a neutral context :-D
DeleteThis is a huge horizon that we have yet to explore...
Thank you for the rich contribution! :-)
http://youtu.be/0OB0wdzogy0
ReplyDeleteWell, one question: in the video, the dancer mentions that they dance in an effort to encourage two spirits people to "come out"...
DeleteDoes this mean that they still feel the need to hide?
Or he means within the "diverse" American society?
" Coming out" is just the term when secret or " closeted" LGBTQI folks reveal to their families, friends, and/or the rest of the world their true nature. Although it's becoming much more common and accepted, there are families and situations where they may not feel safe. Or they may simply lack courage. The dance is to give them courage.
DeleteI see your point... :-)
Deletehttp://youtu.be/iDyaknNmg28
ReplyDeleteWow!
DeleteInteresting material :-)